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Re: FCFS and prior use

At 5:22 +0300 23/12/96, Bryant Durrell wrote:
>Karl Denninger writes:
>> > 	I'd be interested in seeing some explanation for, and discussion
>> > of, the reason the first come/first served is necessarily the assignment
>> > scheme that must be used.
>>
>> Because you recognized the over 100 existing cases in which that assertion
>> is currently operative (COM/NET/ORG/EDU/ISO-codes)
>
>Huh?  Are you *really* asserting that if someone came along and wanted
>to run -- I don't know, any ISO code that isn't currently used by the
>country in question -- the IANA would let them run it?  I think the ISO
>country codes are anything *but* first come first served.  They're
>reserved for the countries themselves to dispose of.
>
>--
Yes, I am asserting this. You all seem to think that the ISO TLDs were
delegated in a nice clean open fashion. Can we see the docs of how THOSE
iso TLDs were delegated?

Here is a mail I received ages ago re .ae. Tell me the Goverment got the
domain. Is the goverment the Phone company, or the University. The phone
company is a shareholder company, with a goverment allowed monopoly.

Please, you are all so innocent. either someone owns . and has the power to
delegate DNS namesspace at the TLD level or not. ALL domains need a root (
. )
Same as ip space. Goverments cannot claim they own ip numbers or the fabric
rips. Why DNS names? Who owns . and how do we delegate, and if we did
deleaget, to whom and why? If we did delegate you cannot "ask" for nice
policies, you must enforce these policies. ( "Please please Mr Government
man, don't use that Class B, it was given out years ago....." ) Get
real.......there needds to be one policy for IP space, and one policy for
DNS TLDs. No exceptions. No one has ever explained why we expect national
orgs to toe the line re IP space and allocation, but not toe any line re
TLD policy?

Can you explain the difference. I am in the dark here. What you delagate
implies that you control, hence you have the power to set how and who you
delegate to, and what they do with it once they have delagated.

Regards,


Kevin


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To: kevinbr@NetComm.IE (Kevin Brown)
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Subject: Re: .ae domain?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:52:08 +0300."
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:38:00 -0700
From: Eric Ziegast <ziegast@zee.im.gte.com>
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> Yes!!! Details.......I thought a guy called Khalid Lootah was going to be
> the holder of the .ae, then the University.  Tell me the story.

UUNET was the holder of ".AE" in anticipation of "UUNET Gulf"
being formed.  He had himself a dialup link and had plans to
get X.25 working inside the country.  It never happened, he
lost his staff, and eventually he disappeared as well.

In the meantime some people at the University claimed that they
were about to come online with two nameservers and a dedicated
link through SprintLink.  They wanted to take over AE.  At first
I was concerned, to make sure they weren't going to blow away
the namespace already present (aka UUGLUF.NET.AE), but they
insisted and questioned my authority (an outsider).  While
I was considering going to IANA, and threatened to do so, I
did not follow up on it.  They eventually stole the domain
through the InterNIC.  I wasn't even consulted.  I would have
preferred to run the domain myself as a neutral party and let
them have EDU since they were clearly funded for that.

I think it's too late to do anything unless you are a friend
of the King.  Bumping heads with the current maintainers will
probably just lead to grief for your business.  Your best action
is to just register customers under COM/ORG/NET.  It makes for
better marketing anyway.  And just be public about how the
current monopoly is hurting business for UAE.

If you really want details, perhaps Li Glover can look in
/uunet/domains/ae for you.

One thing I can say for sure:

        The InterNIC's process for TLD assignment or reassignment
        is currently broken.  I'm not talking about iTLD; I'm talking
        about the process that was working before the NSI took over.

--
Eric Ziegast


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