Re: understanding consensus

[Simon Higgs <simon@higgs.com>]

At 4:02 PM -0500 12/27/96, Bob Helfant wrote:

So use an anonymous remailer. This is an open process. There will be
major problems if the committee make their decision based upon
unpublished information.

> I agree that the open discussion is good for everyone.  Without it, noone
> would know what the general issues are.  Clearly, most of the followers of
> this list are not comfortable with joining in so I am suggesting a way to
> get their feedback.  A secret ballot is not a radical idea.  It is how we
> vote nationally and locally every year.  It helps people speak their mind.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> At 02:38 PM 12/27/96 +0000, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >Bob,
> >
> >  I thought that I needed to reply to this.  Please read below
> >Your comments.
> >
> >
> >Bob Helfant wrote:
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> I think that there are a lot of people who like me, are not comfortable
> >> giving their company views on a public list.  I suggest a secret ballot of
> >> some osrt to see how each person on the list feels.
> >
> >  I understand your concern.  And I empithize, bot do not sympithise
> >with it.  Here is why.
> >
> >  I believe tht it is MORE important to permote open discussion and
> >statment of opinion rather than not.  The reason is that we are
> >considering alot here, so the importance of openess is paramount.
> >Also the concern of creation of cliques, by secret ballot in this type
> >of discussion regarding points of the draft is a danger in secret
> >balloting.  Therefor if you are wanting to achieve alot it is
> >incumbent to require or ask for alot.  The ends in this case, Justify
> >the means.
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >>
> >> Bob Helfant
> >> GlobeComm
> >>
> >> At 09:33 AM 12/27/96 PST, Christopher Ambler wrote:
> >> >Then that begs the question - if this is such a hot topic, where are
> >> >all the posters? If this topic is such that only 10 people are making
> >> >the vast majority of the posts, and there seems to be agreement
> >> >amongst most of them on some points, wouldn't that suggest that
> >> >most people, while interested, don't care?
> >> >
> >> >If the IAHC is getting comments from outside of this list - the list
> >> >that THEY set up to discuss this issue - they should post it here so
> >> >we can accurately gauge the opinions of those who care to give them.
> >> >
> >> >As to the rest, the lurkers, they are urged to speak up, but nobody
> >> >can force them. If consensus is made by 20 people when only 20
> >> >people care to speak, then so be it, no?
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Christopher Ambler
> >> >President, Image Online Design, Inc.
> >> >
> >
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> >


Regards,

Simon

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