Re: Good Points

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Jim,

  Please read below your comments.

Jim Fleming wrote:
> 
> You folks make some good points. Unfortunately, many of the people
> on these mailing lists seem to think that "networking" was just invented
> yesterday. You might be interested to know that I had one person explain
> to me that .COM comes from the original DOS file extension that Microsoft
> used. They claimed that, "When Microsoft *invented* the Internet" they
> needed an extension and they chose that instead of .EXE.

  Yea, I have heard this dribble myself form some old Microsoft 
development eng and marketing folks.  It just astounds me as well,
how silly and arogent this stuff is put out.
> 
> It never ceases to amaze me that these people have not researched the
> past. I remember the large Videotex trade shows that I attended where
> people gathered to look at the "Network Computer" (AT&T Sceptre Terminal)
> that my group at AT&T Bell Labs developed. I still have one in the original
> box with the sticker from "Computerland". It has an Infrared keypad/keyboard
> and looks like a cable modem. Someday, maybe I should develop a web
> site and give people some history to read.

  I have one as well.  IBM years ago developed somethind similar also.
> 
> Computer people seem so interested in generating their own history that
> they take no time to study the past or to learn from the past. In my opinion,
> the IAHC is doomed because most of the members are not capable of
> participating in a truely open, Internet-based, forum. They have learned
> to conduct business the old fashioned way, behind closed doors, on golf
> courses, and while vacationing in Switzerland and Hong Kong.
>         see http://www.apricot.net

  Well, I am not quite that synicle myself.  But I understand your point
here.
It has been painfully shown to me that SOME of the members are ignorant
of the current state and progress of the Internet technology.  Not to
mention TM law as it applies to the Internet and netwrok communications.
> 
> In my opinion, one of the shames of all of this is that there are tons of
> innovations waiting in the wings, ready to move on to the Internet. Companies
> are not going to risk their capital and make the investments needed to
> make this happen while the Internet is run by a street gang of hoodlums.
> Many times over the past couple of years I have concluded that a NEW
> Internet, based in commercial values may be the only solution. I have
> developed IPv8 along this line. It assumes that the IPv4 "core network"
> provides basic transport services and DNS capabilities but little more.

  Yes, I have read of IPv8 myself and find it quite intresting.  I
believe
that CNET carried an article on about two months back as well.
> 
> As I view the world from an IPv8 point of view, I see the same evolution
> on the Internet that U.S. cities have faced. Most have a central core that
> is over run with crime, corruption, and gangs. The other people have moved
> to the edges (the suburbs) and only rely on the core for communication.
> For many people, the core is too dangerous to maintain a direct connection.
> They are "proxied" to the core by some suburban (or rural) agency.

  Yep!  And this I find to be a shame.  But some do feel this way, and
it is understandable.
> 
> As you can see, I stay out of the IAHC discussions which are focused
> on who controls the streets of the "core". I have found previous discussions
> like this to be disurbing and potentially dangerous. I wish you folks well
> with the IAHC discussions but would like to point out that from my view
> in suburbia, you are wasting your time and putting yourself at risk.

  Well, risk is part of resolving problems sometimes.  It is a necessary
evil I suppose you could say.  I take risk, but calculated risk.  If the
potential reward is worth the risk, than it is worth some effort.

Regards,

> 
> Jim Fleming
> 
> @@@@@@ http://www.iahc.org/iahc-discuss/mail-archive/2711.html
> 
> Re: Thread 5: Defining the namespace
> 
> Jeff Williams (jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com)
> Sun, 29 Dec 1996 05:16:59 +0000
> 
> Einar,
> 
>   Please read below your comments.
> 
> Einar Stefferud wrote:
> >
> > >From Hank Nussbacher's message Sat, 28 Dec 1996 18:49:24 +0200 (IST):
> > }
> > }15 years ago no one imagined that the Internet would become the commercial
> > }success it has become.  The only thing you can blame those who designed
> > }COM and EDU is not being clairvoyant.
> > }
> >
> > You must be speaking mostly for yourself.
> >
> > I have understood and openly stated that all this was coming ever
> > since I first saw what it was in 1975, adn that is why I objected to
> > the original set of 3letter DNS names when they were set up.
> 
>   I remember this situation myself very well, and spoke out
> against it than also.  To no avail I might add.
> >
> > The problem is not that no one had the vision.  The problem is that
> > visionaries are mostly ignored until the facts of life become too
> > broadly obvious to ignore any longer.  Such is the case here;-)...
> 
>   Yes, this is so true!  And a damn shame it is as well.
> >
> > Please note that I am not particularly upset about people not
> > listening to my pleas in the passt.  I just understand that this is
> > how things unfold, so there is no point in going away in a huff to
> > sulk in silence;-)...  The only rational behavior is to continue
> > trying to see into the future.
> 
>   There ya go!  I agree totaly with you!
> >
> > But, I do object to being told that no one foresaw what is now upon
> > us.
> 
>   I do as well, and it is beginning to look that way here as well.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> >
> > Cheers...\Stef
> 
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
> Information Eng. Group.
> Phone :972-447-1878
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> 
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> --
> Jim Fleming
> UNETY Systems, Inc.
> Naperville, IL
> 
> e-mail:
> JimFleming@unety.net
> JimFleming@unety.net.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
Information Eng. Group. 
Phone :972-447-1878
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com