Re: (none)

[Mark Henderson-Thynne <mark@netnames.com>]

*sigh*

How many times so we have to make this point, how can we make it even
clearer so you will understand:

1) There is no such thing as pre-registration, zoen files for these domains
    do not exist, the CORE database does not exist, how can registrations be 
    made to databases/zone files that do not yet exist. the term pre-registration
    implies registering a name before registrations are allowed but that is
    impossible as there is no way to register a name yet.

2) Clients have asked us to attempt to register their names as soon as 
    possible on day one. To make this easier for us and the client we are
    taking their details now. When registrations are allowed we will submit
    the names that clients have asked us to attempt to register. We are not
    taking any money now and we will only bill clients once a name has been
    successfully registered (i.e. after day one).

Lets try to make it even clearer still:

1) pre-registration cannot exist.

2) taking advance orders to be submitted on day one can exist and lots
    of companies are doing it.

3) Clients want to be able to place an advance order as they see the importance
    and legitimacy of the new gTLDs. For the same reason they have chosen not 
    to register in the "fake root nameserver confederations and domains". 

3) not all these companies make it clear that registration isn't gauranteed
    when the application is submitted.

4) NetNames makes it very clear that placing an advance order gaurantees
    nothing.

5) NetNames is being positive and providing a service that clients want instead
    of being negative and criticising the whole process.

OK, that may still be too complicated so I will try again:

1) pre-registration cannot exist therefore NetNames (or anyone else) cannot
    (and does not) pre-register.

I hope you unstand the above but please feel  free to mail me if you have any other
questions.

Mark......

At 3:12 pm -0700 20/6/97, Simon Higgs wrote:
>At 9:02 AM +0200 6/20/97, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>
>> At 10:10 AM 6/20/97 -0400, Sandy C. Kronenberg wrote:
>> >WHAT!!!!...How can they preregister? what is going on here?
>>
>> You are basing your info from the draft application form V11, right?  It
>> says near the top that it is a draft.  During our discussions between iPOC
>> and PAB, the item about preregistrations has come up and it has been removed
>> from the current draft application form (internal still).
>>
>> If any potential registrar guarantees pre-registration they will be sued for
>> fraud by the person requesting the new domain, when they don't get it.
>> Review all the cavaets Netnames uses when accepting an application for a new
>> gTLD.  Any other company can do the same.
>
>
>Geeez... the PAB is not NetNames. Who else did you discuss it with on
>the PAB? No-one I bet.
>
>Bad, bad, bad, bad mistake.
>
>Congratulations! You just destroyed the PAB, Hank.
>
>One of the cardinal rules in this business is that *NO* applications
>can be accepted by *ANYONE* until day one.
>
>Authorization is only given by to start on day one. I assume this must
>have begun? The gTLDs are now in the root and *EVERYONE* can accept
>registrations and cash in? No?
>
>Has anyone on the IAHC/iPOC or IANA given any organization permission
>to accept applications in the seven IAHC gTLDs?
>
>What makes NetNames or anyone else able to do this, and GlobeComm and
>Sandy and all the other PAB members (by specific request of Don Heath)
>not able to do this?
>
>This is even worse than the original NSI problem because there is
>uneven discrimination going on in a supposedly "open" and "fair"
>process. Why do think this is process is regarded as badly flawed, and
>most folks who know better won't sign the MoU?
>
>I suggest all those who are not taking applications and think they are
>being unfairly discriminated against start a class action suit against
>the iPOC.
>
>You may not like me, or my viewpoint, but you know I'm right.
>
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Simon
>
>-- "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
>will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare.  Now, thanks to
>the Internet, we know this is not true." -- Robert Wilensky, ILP 1996


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