TradeMarks classification works, and also ".tm" TLD

[Benjamin Azevedo <benjamin_azevedo@ibm.net>]

Benjamin Azevedo wrote:   (revised text, missing NOT added)

> 
> Sascha Ignjatovic wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Benjamin Azevedo wrote:
> >
> > >                        Underwater.com   TheSound.com
> > >                     (Registered 6/25/97   (Registered in 2/10/97
> > >                      by Ad Grafix)         by Voyager Inf Networks Inc)
> > > or anyother that is still free like
> > >                          DeepDive.com     OutLoud.com
> >
> > for me it is a problem when one single company/person want to own
> > such kind of "generic" domains like sound etc.
> 
> Dear Sascha
> 
> As long as the name is free, someone sooner or later will get it.
> There would be no reason why to avoid it.
> Specially when a lot of people is needing a name.
> 
> > (whats about others seling cd`s or doing even more importend research or
> >  busines into sound field ?)
> 
> the name goes to first one.
> IN EACH TLD (for sure).
> the name is free in new TLD's.
> This is one of the reasons why I think new registrars should pay large amounts to
> get a TLD.
> And they (new registrars) should be allowed to auction off names during
> limited time pre-registraion process.
> 
> >
> > you can not "own" sound   you must be God to own sound
> 
> Be reallistic, someone (not god) will have it.
> Sound.com is not active, but exists and seems not even to sell loudspeakers
> Sound Advice Inc SOUND-DOM
>    Domain Name: SOUND.COM
>    Record created on 12-Aug-93.
> 
> Note that even god.com has a domain name owner (again it's not god)
> Groves Online Delivery GOD2-DOM
>     Domain Name: GOD.COM
>     Record created on 13-Jul-94.
> 
> >
> > you can have  xyz.sound.com or whatever but you can not have only for you
> > the generic category sound-becouse you are selling cd`s or whatever
> > and you was the "first and clever"
> 
> these are the rules.
> any way, to have the name sound will not make anybody a monopolist of "sound" products
> 
> >
> > for me this should be not alloved by the gtld process to have a single
> > person "own and poses" samthing wich belongs also to others
> > (also a privat person or company dont owns the state  it belongs to all
> >  and it is managed by all)
> 
> Why not allow this if there not so many good names.
> There is no reason why ban these names, just because other would like to use them.
> is it better to have nobody using in order to avoid this frustraction?
> Of course not.
> 
> >
> > the "management" of the "generic" domains should be owned by
> > public trust organisations and second level domains in this generic
> > domains should be privat owned
> 
> hard to define and hard to manage.
> see the trademark x domain names conflict
> check acceptance of making genesis.com a commonly owned link page to all genesis.
> seems good and fair, but will genesis.com agree with this?
> 
> >
> > thats my humble opinion
> >
> > thanks
> > sascha
> 
> it's a fair opinion, but I think it's better not try to make everybody happy
> will the original owner be happy sharing what he believes (and seems to be)
> valuable pioneering vision vanish ?
> 
> >
> > ps.if you/r company onw the "generic" domain sound  and you decide you
> > dont like the other company wich is also in the same busines  and you dont
> > like to give them a sld under your generic domain whats than ?
> 
> I dont give it.
> You own the second level domain.
> That's why you registered it.
> 
> >
> > you have the rigth to do so and i have to look for another name ?
> 
> Yes
> 
> >
> > not if you are using samthing wich not belongs to you
> 
> The domain name belongs to its owner. Isn't this the rule?
> Or are we willing to "share" everything, like comunist did (?) in the past?
> 
> >
> > you can not own sound becouse you have not created it
> 
> Bad times if we only be allowed to use "created" names
> Like  fgstsjd.com   ytujsgf.com  and  olrjdj.com ?
> 
> >
> > you just take the creation of sam other source and say "its mine"
> > "i own it"  you stolen it
> 


  Sound.com domain name owner does NOT owns the *word* "sound".

> Sound.com domain name owner owns domain name  "Sound.com"
> >
> > thats the bigest problem by the NSI concept
> >
> > therefore i dont like it
> >
> > and hope that gtld process will come up with samthing more intelligent
> > than to sell samthing to people and provide them with owenrship
> > wich dont belongs to them
> >
> > .net .org .com dont belongs to nsi  so that they are ablle to provide
> > "ownership" on that   they just manage it   therefore there must be a
> > higher public trust organisation assambled of people who have no primitive
> > short term selfinterests  but people who are loyal to the actual posesor
> > of all things and work in his interests
> 
> Sacha
> We need nickname.
> It would be very unfair avoid using exactly easy and short names like this.
> 
> >
> > put it more simply :-)
> >
> > "God" does not want that a infinitesimal small entity
> >  like a single human been or even an small asembly of beeings
> >  owns samthing wich is a grandious and wonderful
> >  creation  becouse this creation belongs to all his entities
> >  and they should use it together in His interests
> >
> > this organisations who garant that the Gods creations can not be
> > "stolen/separated" from God and be selfish missused excluding others who
> > are also childern of God and hase the same right on His creation
> >
> > this organisation will have my fully suport and probably also from
> >
> > God  :-)
> >
> 
> Again God.com is not GOD
> It's simply "god.com"
> i am sure they don't deliver any divine graces.
> Groves Online Delivery GOD2-DOM
>     Domain Name: GOD.COM
>     Record created on 13-Jul-94.
> I think that nobody will believe to find GOD way thru god.com
> Or send an email  to GOD@god.com
> 
> Permanent error, unknown user at god.com
> 
> > thank you very much
> > a humble servant of "God" (generic oversight on domains ? :-)
> 
> Oops. This domain name is already taken.
> Groves Online Delivery GOD2-DOM
>     Domain Name: GOD.COM
>     Record created on 13-Jul-94.
> 
> Registration for "God generic oversight on domains" denied.
> 
> >
> > sascha