Re: gTLD-MoU Related News (August 19, 1997)

[Adam Todd <at@ah.net>]

>>All said and speculated, would you agree to soemthing that gioves an
>>"external" body the power to control you without any financial or
>>directorial capacity?

Gee my typos are bad :-)

>That's my point. I would only consider signing (but probably wouldn't
>anyway...) if I didn't have to agree to the more extreme stipulations, such
>as the stipulation that I can't sue even if I'm defrauded, or that I can't
>get my money back if I never become a registrar.

I would suspect that the laws of various countries would cover the defraud
matter.  Unless you signed the document in Geneva :-)

Anywhere else and I think the exectution would be determined as the state
in which you signed the document.


>From what I remember, the gtld-MoU contains these stipulations, and
>therefore I would never sign them. On the other hand, from what I remember,

It's very silly to sign an open ended contract unless your foolish or have
been deceived.  Which is why they have the defraud clasues.  Because they
know they are not upfront on the agreement.

It's almost like signing a cheque and saying bank this so it bounces but
don't tell the police to charge me and I'll take the goods thanks.

>the CORE-MoU does not contain the protection-from-normal-redress clauses and
>even explicitly states that my money (or at least 90%) will be returned if I

Only after a hell of a lot of bickering was that changed.

>am not accepted. Therefore, I might consider signing the CORE-MoU. And from
>what I learned today (assuming the FAQ is honest), that's all I'd have to do
>to apply to or become a registrar and/or a member of CORE.

But is it honest.  If the controling body of the CORE is the gTLD-MoU and
it has a defraud clasue I'd be very suspicious.

Do you sign a contract to have an aircondition installed with your Vet?

And then pay the vet?

>This makes a big difference. If I can become a registrar without giving up
>my right to sue or to follow other normal remedies, that's a hell of a lot
>better than a system where I have to give up everything.

Hey it's your right. As I said, you'd have to be very mislead to sign a
document that gave youy no recourse.

>However, I doubt the FAQ is authoritative, so I'd like to see the actual

Probably not.  We have already had claimes by PAB and iPOC members that the
gTLD Web sites list of "qualified applicants" is not authoritive.

That being the case I guess the companies listed should be worried about
the fact their names are being used without their permission. (Maybe?)

>documents they want people to sign to see whether it's true that I don't
>need to sign the gtld-MoU. I'd also like to look at the CORE-MoU again to

Even if it said that.  The gTLD-MoU might have a clause in a sub document
you don't know about publicly that says you can't be in CORE unless you are
gTLD'd :-)  I've seen this a number of times to void one contract that
takes the money over one that does not.

>see if my memory (which is even less authoritative than a FAQ) is correct.

Somehow I think your memory is more authoritive than anythign that comes
from gTLD.

>Unfortunately, I can't get to their web site. My ISP claims that it can't
>resolve the domain name.

<rofl>

>Seriously.

I belive you.  Hey why not, they have no infrastructure :-)


>As I've said before, at this rate, the system will be looking good by 2006
>or so...

Optimistic aren't you :-)

>So what are we going to do until then?

Is this where I say pesimistic ??



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