Re: The Price Of Admission. Unacceptable.

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

John,

John Charles Broomfield wrote:
> 
> > > > > Consider your example of democratic process, Nominet.  The members
> > > > > freely elect their board (as CORE will almost assuredly do), but you
> > > > > have to pay $800 to be a member (with CORE you have to pay much more,
> > > > > but that will change to a level similar to Nominet).
> > > >
> > > >   Well CORE has YET do be a freely elected body. SO your comparison
> > > > is weak here.
> > >
> > > The comparison is quite exact. The board of directors within nominet is
> > > democratically elected by the nominet members. Core will probably
> > > democratically elect a board of directors. Where's the flaw?
> >
> >   The key term here is "Probably".  That has not been done yet.
> > I will believe that when I see it.  In addition Nominet's board was
> > selected by members of the ISP's and RIPE users and members in a vote
> > of all, not just a select few.  So, yes I stand by this statment.
> 
> I was pretty sure that only nominet members could vote for who goes in place
> at the nominet board of directors (which doesn't mean that only nominet
> members can be on the board of directors, but that would be internal to
> nominet). Could somebody from nominet please confirm what Jeff is saying (ie
> that it's ISP's and RIPE users and members that vote for the nominet board),
> which to me sounds a tad strange to say the least.

  I don't see anything strange about it myself.  And it is my
understanding
this is the case.  But Jim Dixon may be better capable of answering
spicificaly this question.

> As far as I know, when ANY organisation wants a board, or other reps or
> whatever, it's the members/shareholders/owners of that organisation that
> vote on who should be on that board or whatever.

  Well normaly I would say this is the case.  But GIG is not a normal
situation and DNS in particular along with IP addresses and allocation
of those addresses.  

  Also, my company, allows users and employees alike to vote on 
board members.  However we are not a publicaly held company so only
employees are stock holders.  This type of model is very workable.
FOr instance Hughes Tool and DIe uses this model and has for nearly
40 years.

> What makes you think that CORE *may* not have a board of directors, or if
> they *do* have one, what makes you think that the members of that board
> would be put in place by any other way than CORE members deciding on it?

  I don't see any information to the effect that CORE has board members,
first of all.  Second I do not know, nor has any difinitive information
been posted on the gTLD-MoU site spicificaly stated how these possible
board members would be selected/voted for.  
> 
> > > >   Yes PAB has "Input"  but nothing binding.  Not good enough.
> > >
> > > It does have "binding" in that it will get 2 members onto POC. (modification
> > > approved already).
> >
> >   Again 2 into 12 goes 6 times.  Not very binding.  Not a good
> > structure.
> > Not good enough.  !2 members representing ALL of the internet community
> > is not good enough and not even remotely possible to claim broad
> > representation of stakeholders/users of the internet.  In addition with
> > a 1/6th influence of 2 PAB members on POC, that is very week if they are
> > supposed to represent the brodest spectrum of stakeholders.  The representation
> > of PAB members, under this terrible structure should be more like
> > 1/2 of the POC membership.
> 
> Perhaps you're right on that. And it seems that enough concerns have been
> made on the makeup of POC, that iPOC has opened a direct consultation to see
> what people think should be the right mix, and how it should be elected.
> Think up how you'd want ALL of POC to be constituted, and submit your
> proposal.

  WOrking on that in a more presentable form.  However I have posted
how I would approach this on several occasion alresdy here on this list.
> 
> Yours, John Broomfield.


Regards,
-- 
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java Development Eng.
Information Eng. Group. IEG. INC. 
Phone :913-294-2375 (v-office)
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