Re: IANA: Why Trademarks? (was Re: Emergent Press Conference)

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Kent and all,

Kent Crispin wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 09, 1997 at 10:41:17AM -0800, Duane Little wrote:
> > All you're doing below, Kent, is excusing your very own improper,
> 
> improper?
> 
> > confrontational and destructive defenses of the IAHC.
> 
> Nope.  Just relating a little history.  The confrontational character of
> the debate was established long before the IAHC was formed.  That's a
> simple fact.

  Yes it is a simple fact that some confrontational characters did
participate in the debate befor the IAHC perposal was offered.  However,
the IAHC perposal only served to make the confrontation worse due to
its lack of openess, which was revieled by many early on. (See
IAHC-Discuss
Archivves).
> 
> > None of this really excuses anything, and it doesn't address the
> > validity of the opposition.  It doesn't address the real injustice and
> > impropriety inherent in the IAHC's composotion, weighted with special
> > interests (WIPO, INTA, ITU), all newcomers to the Net, and excluding a
> > whole universe of long-term stakeholders.
> > It doesn't excuse the closed-door meetings, the disingenuous
> > short-notice "open commentary" periods, the endless insulting snubs of
> > the RSCs, the advantage taken of the broad unawareness of the Net to the
> > IAHC goings-on, the decisions taken in direct contradiction to
> > overwhelming expressed concerns, the false PR, the corporate trickery.
> 
> This is all histrionic fantasy on your part.

  Not entirely Kent, and you know it.  The antagonist remarks that Perry
and Dace Crocker made are a matter of IAHC-Discuss historic fact.  (See
Archives to refresh your selective memory).
> 
> > Cut the pretense.
> 
> Pretense?
> 
> > You claim to've won already. If so there's nothing
> > to lose, so why not just relax and admit it turned out to be a massive,
> > special-interest-driven con and/or power play, in effect if not intent?
> 
> Why not?  Because it isn't true.

  Well than whay not comply Kent?
> 
> > Duane
> >
> > P.S.  -  Kent's mail server reliably bounces all my mail.  I've asked
> > why but he doesn't say.  I presume he won't see this or respond, and if
> > he does, it'll be to an edited version in someone else's response.
> 
> Duane, if my mail server is bouncing your mail, then it is showing
> remarkable intelligence, and I am grateful.  But I haven't done
> anything to make it look for you.  Mostly I manually delete your
> messages unread.

  ANd you have just for the record, confirmed the fact that the
IAHC supporters are by design not listening in an open approach,
by ignoring someone's comments that may not be supportive.
> 
> Let me explain: as in every arena, there are many opponents of the
> IAHC I respect and like -- people with some combination of
> intelligence, experience, wit, charm, scruples, integrity,
> self-awareness, or honesty that I value as a window into a different
> point of view.  I read these people's posts.

  I read everyones posts.  So I suppose that makes you a bit too
closed minded for a truely open viewpoint.
> 
> --
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> 

Regards,

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