Re: Implications of NSI *Skunkworks* Rul ing

[Sascha Ignjatovic <sascha@isoc.vienna.org>]

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Jim Dixon wrote:

> I don't think that direct participation from 60 million people is possible.


but you complain on it all the time 

 
> My objections to the gTLD MOU and CORE are many:
> 
> *	my fundamental objection is that it has very little support in
> 	the Internet community

you always use this arguments to put you self in the limelight 
please show me where is your suport from the internet community 
(or do you see the isp as the internet community when it comes to ispa?
 what is democratic on ispa when it allows onyl ispc to be members ??)
 
> *	on the other hand the telcos (who regard the Internet as a threat
> 	and want to get it under control) and the trademark lobby (ditto)
> 	have overwhelming influence

> *	you have to sign the gTLD MOU and agree to its unacceptable
> 	principles in order to to disagree with those principles (note
> 	that I am not saying that all of its principles are unacceptable)

if sombody is envy and is not represented in samthing where he can control 
it than he would say "it is unacceptable to join samthing where i have
not the say"

this kind of behaviour is well known to most of us and we can understand
it 

it is typical european behaviour-my self is living hier in austria so i
know what i say :-)

instade to make good sugestions they find thousends of arguments why 
samthing is bad instad to say "when i am on the say everything will be 
wonderfull" :-)
   
your arguments are not really "acceptable":-) becouse there may be some
other motives than for good of the thing itself
 
> *	CORE has been set up in such a way as to largely remove it from
> 	the legal process; it is my understanding that Swiss non-profits
> 	are difficult or impossible to sue

why you want to sue the core ??
you start with something negative 
do you think this is positive :-) 

> *	CORE's financial requirements for registrars are unduly 
> 	restrictive

hier i have no comment or opinion

> Like most rumors, it's confused..  The European Commission has requested
> that three TLDs be reserved for use in or by the European Union: .EU, .EUR, 
> and .EURO.  A letter has been sent to IANA setting out the grounds for 
> giving the European Union special consideration and requesting the 
> delegation of these names.  The plan is that .EUR will be delegated to
> EuroISPA, to be managed by a separate non-profit company, Euronames.
> 
> Euronames is in most respects modelled on Nominet.  The objective is to
> have thousands of registrars across Europe.  These registrars will 
> appoint Euronames' directors through national associations.  It will
> be possible for anyone in Europe to become a registrar with minimal
> investment (something in the $500 - $1000 range).

so hier it starts  

the eu would to have the ecxlusive right to eu..  and than others would
also come and say  "we would also like to administrate our village"

it may be a good thing the exclusive eu... administration 
but it brings the eu again in the second stage of development 

in the time everything is getting global/planetar the eu is geting 
"europe"  

this is a really advance :-)  

> Uhm, I don't have a passion for direct democracy.  I consider that 
> impractical, especially in multi-lingual Europe.

if this is the only argument let understand the problems with direct
democracy than it is not the only one :-)

there are many more reasons why thigs are as they are at the moment 
but i would not explain this hier 

at all management for large systems there is a group of people who
initiate things and manage things 
there is a persident in the united states and he and his assistants manage
the country 

you can not say why not all the people manage the country
and if you say they elected them and the internet community 
hase not "elected" the poc etc people  than i would say 
not the people elected clinton but first his party and some people there
and at first founding fathers of usa have elected the president and the
people have jsut say yes we want or no we dont want


> What I have a passion for is control of the Internet by the Internet 
> community, not those who have a large stake in stifling it.

what you are saying is  "the isp should control the internet"
and the telcos are saying "the telcos should control the internet"
and the eu says "the eu should contro, the internet"

 
> My passion is for control of the Internet by the Internet community,
> not telcos, trademark lobbyists, intergovernmental organisations and
> the rest of the crowd that jumped onto the Internet bandwagon as it
> trundled by.

and we (i:-) am saying  

the people who founded the internet end developed it to this what it is
now should have the say who and how controls the internet 
and as you see it works again very well 

the system will be up and runing with or without the ispa 

and again and again the europe would be "the special case" 

not really heading the developments but beeng behind it 

do you really think this is waht you oroginaly wanted 

"to take control over the internet":-)

if you want to "take control" or participate in it than you should
probably chose another strategy

you have seen where our friends like ... i forgot their names :-)
are   they refused to be a part of the process and they stack on the same
level they where befor  they only critisizing it without a big change 

are you puting your self in the same category or talking hot air 

if you are missguiding the ispa in the matter of dns than they will change
you as the president  be shure of it  :-)
 

> Specifically, CORE should be forced to change its domicile to the United 
> States (or any other jurisdiction in which it can be easily sued and 
> which has reasonably well-developed laws regarding the Internet), and it 
> should be forced to move its servers and other assets to the same 
> jurisdiction.

really you have understand nothing about the globalisation of the internet
and its management structures 

you should take some lessons in internet policy :-)

my humble and stupid self can give it to you 
  
> --
> Jim Dixon                                                 Managing Director
> VBCnet GB Ltd                http://www.vbc.net        tel +44 117 929 1316

sascha
speacking only for him self

ps.mr dixon i am sory for this sarcastic ton in my mail and i resepct and
apreciate your knowledge in internet matters  but you must understand that
there are people who takes care about the internet on a much higher level
as the level of the isp in internet is

again if your strategie of refusing the gtld developments prove wrong than
tru natural selection you will be swiped out  as whater does over a
obstacle and internet does if one node is not working well and makes a
obstacle to the wholle system