Re: Threat from Christopher Ambler

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Karl and all,

Karl Auerbach wrote:

> > >If nothing else, we can use marketplace competition to pick a winner
> > >between competing TLDs rather than imposing a solution by directive from
> > >on high.
> >
> > This implies that, for conflicting gTLDs, collisions
> > will exists until a decision is made for the winning gTLD.
> > Under this scenario, all of the losing gTLDs (as well as
> > the corresponding SLDs) would be SOL.
> >
> > This is still not a clean solution.
>
> Agreed.  It is not clean.  I mainly sympathise with the users of the
> net who will find that xxx.TLD != xxx.TLD depending on what TLD
> servers their ISP's point to.  (Since I run my own server, if I shoot
> myself in the foot, I know who to blame - me. ;-)

  SO true.  This is also true of the "IANA's Root operators" as well. Or should

I say NSI operators?  >;)  But the effect is much greater.

>
>
> I would hope that after the .web thing that people considering
> starting a conflicted TLD will have second thoughts.

  This conflict was started by the IAHC, which has now carried forward
toi the MoU.  ANd this is one of the fundemental thinking processes or
problems that I and others see in the leadership of the MoU/IANA/ISOC.

>
>
> > >I know that this is possibly considered heritical (sp) thought by some,
> > >and it is without doubt a sub-optimal solution, but its a path which I
> > >think can help avoid the impasse we seem to be moving towards.
> >
> > Karl, the only impasse we seem to have is that the leadership
> > of POC/PAB/CORE is still refusing to work towards consensus.
> > You and others seem reasonable, maybe you can talk some sense
> > into your leaders.
>
> Me reasonable?  Never!  It must have been a mistake.  It must have
> been my non-evil twin. ;-)
>
> (I wouldn't say that the IAHC/POC/... folks are "my leaders"; I tend
> to be somewhat of an independent.  But it has been my experience that
> people like Dave Crocker, Perry M., Don Heath, etc are reasonable,
> knowledgeable people who are acting in good faith.  Of course that
> doesn't mean we always agree.)

  This is where many of us disagree.  The latest events have again proven that
the
leadership needs to leave.

>
>
> I don't believe that anything I'm saying is in conflict with
> IAHC/POC/PAB/CORE mechanism.  And I still very much prefer that
> mechanism over what the green paper proposes.

  I can respect your opinion.  I just can't support it, as can't many others.

>
>
> What I am trying to do is to recognize that there is really no way to
> compel lower level DNS server operators to recognize one root over
> another.  I'm merely suggesting that we could simply allow conflicted
> gTLDs to form and let them duke it out among themselves, leaving the
> lower level DNS server operators with the choice of who wins.

  This is not a solution that is exceptable nor desireable.

>
>
> (Once a TLD is established and has a service mark cognizable by law,
> that TLD will have a pretty good basis for quickly squishing upstarts.
> I'm mainly concerned about this interim period where almost everything
> is in flux.)

  I agree.

>
>
> Since the negative aspects of a conflicted gTLD are so high, I expect
> it will be a problem that fixes itself very quickly.

  Nothing in this industry fixes itself.

>
>
> People who continue to use the existing root servers are essentially
> delegating their vote in this process to whoever operates that root.
> (And I do trust IANA in that regard as long as IANA's choices are
> freely made by Jon P. et al without the US Government coming in and
> uttering too many "thou shalts".)

  Here is yet another fundemental area and idea incorporated within the
MoU that is in stark conflict with reason and good managment process.
It is also an attitude which breeds the oppisite of which it professes.  That
being more regulation, and seperation of powers.

>
>
>                 --karl--
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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