Re: Two-Sided Coins Standing on Edge

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Dave and all,

Dave Crocker wrote:

> At 11:52 AM 6/2/98 -0400, Jay Fenello wrote:
> >>On the other hand people want to claim that the IANA has nothing
> >>to do with the U.S. Government. This is usually after they have
>
> No one has said that IANA "has nothing to do with the US government".
> We've said that IANA's ultimate authority comes from those who operate the
> net.  I'm sorry that the considerable difference between these two
> statements is so difficult for some people to understand.

  I believe that Kent Crispin and others of the MoUvment(Read bowl movement)
have on many to many occasions.

>
>
> >On the other, they seem reluctant to give the "public"
> >any role in the oversight of those "public" resources.
>
> And, of course, this is an entirely false assertion.

  Well as far as I know, the public must seek that oversight through their
US congressman or senator.  That is the ONLY path the public currently
has and has had for oversight of the IANA's actions.

  The IANA has not made a concerted effort to provide for a reasonable
method to provide for direct involvement in plan or process that involves the
public, Internet community on an individual basis, or the stakeholders. This
was made very clear in some of Ira's concerns in the GP.  Read it Dave,
it is there in black and white.

>
>
> As usual.
>
> You really should find a different CD to play.

  I would say that the shoe is on the other foot.  YOURS!

>
>
> >Jon Postel's recent activities in writing the bylaws
> >of the new IANA, Inc. behind closed doors is a perfect
>
> Jay, I've been meaning to express concern about all these emails that you
> send without first having them reviewed and edited by the rest of us.  I
> mean, how dare you write them in private!

  What are you referring to Dave?  This is a public list is it not?

>
>
> In other words, Jay, the issue is not where the writing is done, but where
> the review and approval is done.  Contrary to your inexperienced
> assessment, IANA operates with quite a bit of community review and always has.

  See my comments above.  This assertion is only partly true, not completely.
The IANA has NOT made an asserted effort enough to include public oversight.
Not has it considered or made a concerted effort to DIRECTLY seek the
ideas of opinions of the stakeholders, or the Internet user community other
than through the ISOC or the ITU.  That is not good enough Dave.  And
you and/or Jon should know this.  Didn't the Pickering congressional hearings
teach you anything?

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> d/
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Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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