Re: Unbiased Neutral Forum

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Sascha and all,

  First Sascha, please try to work on your english a bit.  As this post is most
difficult
to understand.  But let us continue anyway....  (See below your comments)

Sascha Ignjatovic wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > The thing for the GAIW to do is to publicly and explicitly invite
> > the IANA, ISOC and the IAB directly to the scheduled conference
> > and also silicit their ideas into its structure so as to show willingness
> > in a neutral forum.  That simple.
>
> GAIW is a NSI/CIX/IBM sponsored try to get as much a sposible from the 7
> "internet stackholders" seats where under internet stakeholder they
> understand vuew befriendet companys

  I am not sure of what motivation this response dictates to.  Certainly not my
comment just above.  But I digress....  The internet is mostly from a
stakeholder
point of view made up of Commercial entities.  Hence the number of registrations

in the .COM gTLD.  SO it is only reasonable that a majority of the "Board Seats
allotted for stakeholders", if they are so allotted that is, should or would go
to
commercial interests large and small.

>
>
> the names tony rutkovsky are always chosing for his actions are by its own
> showing that this people can not be taken really serious

  Well that is a funny and I might add a strange conclusion.  The WP sure did
take
Tony R's viewpoints seriously.  And that represents the majority of the Internet

community and the majority of the Stakeholders from where we sit anyway.

>
>
> "internet constitutional convention" ?

  Not a bad idea or at least a start of such a proposal is certainly within
reason.

>
>
> vuew years/monts/weeks ago NSI hase refused to cooperate and share with
> anybody else-and was so the major source for the "crisis" we have today !

  Agreed.

> and now they and mr.rutkovsky who was the ceo of the ISOC and now trys to
> take "revanche"  are claiming that they are the "comon ground on
> wich internet community should build their consensus" ?????

  I was not aware that Tony was the CEO of the IAOC at any time.  In fact I
believe that Don Heath is the current CEO of the ISOC is he not?  So consensus
is not being considered based on any in particular group or limited collection
of groups, rather it is a "First Shot" at attempting to get and and ALL parties
together.

>
>
> are you serious ??

  We believe that the GIAW is certainly a serious ATTEMPT at putting together
ALL interested groups of Stakeholders, yes.

>
>
> sorry this NSI/rutkowski GAIW conference can be good to identify some of
> internet stakeholders wich are "cleser" to them but NEVER to identify
> ALL interner stakeholders

  This will be determined by those stakeholders that request to be invited or
to participate.  And hopefully the GIAW will seek out any or as many of those
groups as possible.

>
>
> to do this they have to have a much greater knowledge about the
> internet-internet is not "amerika only" :-)  wich they dont have

  I t appears that you have a bone to pick here.  Fine, pick it.  But do so at
the
conference so that everyone available can at least here your concerns and
possibly
make some adjustments to those concerns.

>
>
> they have a limited understanding how big the internet really is

  How do you KNOW this?  Where is your evidence?  Can you realistically
demonstrate this contention?  Please advise.

>
>
> it is bigger than vuew amerikan companys .. thats for shure !!

  Absolutely!

>
>
> it is in my vuew only the IANA wich is able to identify and recognize
> global internet stakeholder community in a profesional way

  Well maybe the NEW IANA will be able to do this.  They current one
has certainly drug it's feet in this regard.  If it hadn't than we would not be
having
many of these discussions.

>
>
> i hope that ISOC will make shure that not a vuew american
> companys can claim that they are "representing" the "wholle" internet

  I doubt that anyone that has been involved for any time in these discussions
believes that American Companies represent the whole internet community or
ALL of the stakeholders.  Though there is no doubt that American companies
do represent a majority.

>
>
> i am a individual internet stakeholder and dont feel
> my self and the wholle internet in any way
> represented by this GAIW/NSI/rutkovsky thing

  First of all the GIAW is not a "Thing" it is a proposed conference.  Second,
the GIAW is not attempting to claim it represents the "Whole Internet".  That
IS something that the gTLD-MoU did try to represent, and failed terribly.

>
>
> and be shure i am not allone :-)

  Of course not.

>
>
> thank you
> sascha
>
> ps.if they gone to the IANA and sayed  IANA we want to help you
>    organizing/sponsoring a interim/global conference with all other
>    major organisations equally involved  like ISOC etc..
>
>    than this i would consider a right move

  This has been tried before and nothing ever came of it.  So this is a nice
thought, but history doesn't prove this out.

>
>
>    but in this way they are doing now....
>
>    ...it is not the internet way !

  Well the WP was quite clear that the IANA had and has overstepped it's
authority
and shunned much of its "Public Trust" responsibility, hence the need to clean
up
those discrepancies.

>
>

 Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com